Jan 26, 2010, 04:06 AM // 04:06 | #21 |
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Discord needs a hex and a condition (or enchant and condition, but it's usually hex and condition).
AP + YMLAD gives a hex and a condition at the same time if you cast them simultaneously. YMLAD does unconditional damage, only 10 less than necrosis at max rank. The KD and cripple is a nice benefit, especially since in PvE enemies are predictable so you can interrupt their first skill with YMLAD. Pain Inverter is great damage, but very importantly also functions as a cover hex for AP in case of hex removal. Personally I also take Winter's Embrace for another hex, but that's only for E/A. Finish Him makes it easier for the minions to finish the kill and it does a lot of damage (80 + deep wound (which is usually 100) = 180). |
Jan 26, 2010, 09:10 AM // 09:10 | #22 |
Banned
Join Date: Sep 2009
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I've been doing a lot of HM vanquishing - after some trial and error I like everything YMLAD does - knockdown, fair damage, possible interrupt and slows those buggers down so we can hit 'em.
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Jan 26, 2010, 09:26 AM // 09:26 | #23 |
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hungary
Guild: Ministry of Fate [MoF]
Profession: Rt/
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My absolute favourites are YMLAD, EVAS and Pain Iverter.
However, I use Mindbender, Pain Inverter and "By Ural's Hammer" on my necro's bar. I usually run an SS-MoP build, which works great with Mindender and "By Ural's Hammer." And Pain Inverter is excellent for high damage bosses, and can work as a cover hex, if needed. |
Jan 26, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17 | #24 |
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2010
Guild: eeew
Profession: N/Rt
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Depends on mu character, my Necro always has necrosis, fast recharge and 5 nrg? It's a no brainer, pain inverter is very nice depending on the enemies ofcourse but in HM it is awesome. Against bosses like the great destroyer it just rocks.
EVAS is great too, but in HM some enemies can kill it pretty quick, but also can be used to have him take the first damage wave. I used to have YMLAD on my bar but I see myself rather using the other three. My warrior does not leave without whirlwind, my rit has splinter weapon, my necro mark of pain. Enemies are dead before they know it. Also use this for my ranger, sin and dervish But I don't have any kurzick or luxon pve skills yet, I really gotta go further with factions :S |
Jan 26, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34 | #25 |
Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Europe
Guild: Tom Son [TS]
Profession: E/
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It depends on the profession I play. On casters/ranged classes I almost always carry Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, along with Pain Inverter. The third one varies with the profession. On my a Necro and Ele it is Necrosis. On my Mesmer I carry Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare and leave out Pain Inverter. My monk uses only 2 pve skills: Selfless Spirit and Life Seed. My Ritualist as spirit spammer also only carries 2: Summon Spirits and Vampirism. Sometimes I add Great Dwarf Weapon. Warrior gets Whirlwind Attack, "I am unstoppable!" and a variable skill, for example Light of Deldrimor or more defense like Great Dwarf Armor.
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Jan 26, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46 | #26 |
Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Netherlands
Guild: Utrecht Usurpators
Profession: D/
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I don't use any rank skills because they make me feel like a cheater, what with all of them being more broken than Jenna Jameson's hymen.
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Jan 26, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09 | #27 |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Profession: W/
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No love for SadowForm? Oo my bad; SF is not a skill. Its a build!
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Jan 26, 2010, 01:28 PM // 13:28 | #28 |
Tea Powered
Join Date: May 2008
Location: UK
Profession: N/
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No it isn't. As I said, I frequently don't have it.
If you run both shouts with EVAS, you will notice your energy dropping (you gain less than you spend). A simple solution is to swap one of the shouts for Mindbender or BuH, or just not use both or EVAS if it isn't necessary. I suggest everyone from about post #20 actually reads the opening post. |
Jan 26, 2010, 01:45 PM // 13:45 | #29 |
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2010
Guild: eeew
Profession: N/Rt
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Note to self, read the opening post better.
Ah for a N/a assassins promise, I can't think why I should not bring FH and Necrosis. While mindbender is nice I don't need this for my AP necro. |
Jan 26, 2010, 03:07 PM // 15:07 | #30 | |
Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Guild: Order of [Thay]
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I like FH! more than YMLAD . although the unconditional KD / snare is good, FH does up to 180 damage . i find 180 damage much easier to ensure an insta kill after i cast AP . |
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Jan 26, 2010, 03:57 PM // 15:57 | #31 | ||
Desert Nomad
Join Date: Apr 2007
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With a Discord team: cast AP... call target with YMLAD... target is practically insta-gibbed by Discorders... repeat. With 10 in Deadly Arts, each kill gives you back the energy cost of AP + YMLAD... |
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Jan 26, 2010, 04:14 PM // 16:14 | #32 |
Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Jun 2005
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The problem with FH in an AP/discord team is that you can't instantly apply it, while you can with YMLAD. So if I had to choose 1 of the 2 shouts, I'd definitely go with YMLAD.
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Jan 26, 2010, 10:12 PM // 22:12 | #33 | ||
Krytan Explorer
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Usually this is how i cast . Target/call mob with Barbs/MoP and if another spell is needed, barbs/mop/rigor, then i'd cast EVAS and AP before hes about to die and shout finish him once i finish casting . sometimes if the opponent is low on hp, i'll just cast EVAS, AP and FH! Quote:
or were you talking about it only being able to work for foes under 50% hp ? |
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Jan 26, 2010, 10:43 PM // 22:43 | #34 | |
Furnace Stoker
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You could do it as you say, cast Barbs/MoP and then a condition inflicting spell (like Enfeebling Blood), but if you cast AP+YMLAD, things go much faster, since the heroes can start casting Discord straight away. After the heroes use Discord and the foe is not dead, then it is time for FH. |
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Jan 26, 2010, 10:47 PM // 22:47 | #35 | |
Krytan Explorer
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Jan 26, 2010, 10:57 PM // 22:57 | #36 |
Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2008
Profession: Me/
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The curses attribute gives you access to many hexes like Mark of Pain, Rigor Mortis, and Barbs. Most areas hex removal isn't that bad even if it is existent.
Hex with something else and later AP or AP and cover. Really, don't bring Pain Inverter on an AP bar. |
Jan 27, 2010, 02:53 AM // 02:53 | #37 |
Krytan Explorer
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Here is how I'd do it . Remember we have barbs which has a short recharge and an optional either weaken armour or enfeebling blood which also have short recharges . So in order to fill the requirements needed for discord , I'd use them instead of AP and YMLAD/enfeebling blood/weaken armour and cast ap before he's about to die and shout FH to ensure no ap removal .
Yeah so all I need is EVAS, FH and mindbender . Yes insta KD and somewhat insta condition (only get affected after he sends up) is nice, that role can be filled by enfeebling blood / weaken armour . In fact with mindbender, it is faster to get that condition to them (1/2 cast time) instead of 1s KD before the condition is given to him . I answered my own question with you guys' help |
Jan 27, 2010, 03:05 AM // 03:05 | #38 | |||||
Furnace Stoker
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Or, what I also often do. If there's a group with a couple of eles and a monk for example, I cast PI on the ele and AP+YMLAD call on the monk, taking them both out at the same time. Quote:
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Jan 27, 2010, 04:02 AM // 04:02 | #39 |
Krytan Explorer
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Shouting FH simultaneously with AP usually ensures an insta kil at roughly 30-40% hp
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Jan 27, 2010, 09:00 AM // 09:00 | #40 | ||
Krytan Explorer
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Should i drop EVAS for PI ? o.o i see some hate for PI . look @ post 36 . Quote:
So EVAS or PI ? |
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